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 Post subject: How can we use the statistic for this site for improvement?
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 5:38 am 
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MM proclaims itself in the 'About this Forum' header to be "the largest community forum for all expats living, visiting or moving to TURKEY."

One might ask what metric is being used when making such a statement.

Let's look at the stats from today:

Posts: 27,193
Threads: 6,986
Reply Average per Thread: 2.89
Members: 5,921
Most members on line: 44
Threads for new member introductions: 427 Posts: 1009
Board with most threads: Classifieds, at 873

Frequency of new members who introduce themselves: 1 in 14
Average number of replies to introductions: 1.36

It would help to have an independent data set for comparison in order to interpret this data, so, from another Turkish expat site:

Posts: 40,933
Threads: 4,165
Reply Average per Thread: 8.23
Members: 799
Most members on line: 246
Threads for new member introductions: 415 Posts: 5707
Board with most threads: News & Views, 539

Frequency of new members who introduce themselves: 1 in 2
Average number of replies to introductions: 12.75

Comparatively, MM scores lower on all social aspects: Number of posts, average number of replies to posts, number of introductions per member, number of active members, etc. Furthermore, the most active board for MM is the Classifieds- leading this researcher to conclude that the one area in which MM can claim to be "the largest" is in commerce/SPAM- reflected directly in the inflated membership number and lack of corresponding post volume.

The question is: what can be done to make this truly a community- and not just a venue for Spammers? How can we foster community, and what can be learned from other venues? Your interpretations and suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


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 Post subject: Re: How can we use the statistic for this site for improvement?
PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:00 am 
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Do you think that such a cull would end up, unto itself, resulting in a net increase in posting?


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PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:12 pm 
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Blocking noise is definitely a top issue. We want the Turkish tutors and companion seekers to stay off. You would notice such posters are getting banned and their posts are no longer online. We are not sure about locking the forum down tho, I don't think it would be user friendly for the correct audience to go trough an approval step. There are some floating ideas, like requiring a minimum post count for posting to classifieds. The cull is actually been happening for a while, posts would hopefully increase when people feel safer. The team is debating a total or partial public view lock down.


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 11:09 am 
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Do you think required introductions (before other posting) would have a chilling effect on those that value anonymity, or do you think it would promote/net greater personal investment/connections?

On another front: challenging issues are sure to draw less than cool-headed discourse- is it possible to target-lock threads for specific (offending) users? For example: Member X objects to any discussion of Islamic dress and starts a flame war in any related thread- could we lock that thread to that user after a substandard post?


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:13 am 
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Mavi Gogun wrote:
Do you think required introductions (before other posting) would have a chilling effect on those that value anonymity, or do you think it would promote/net greater personal investment/connections?


Not at all, I wouldn't want to call it required, but rather encouraged. You can still introduce yourself sufficiently so the rest of the community can have an idea about you but also remain anonymous while doing so. I myself, acting as an admin for now, plan to put up my own picture as my avatar and introduction but I am waiting for the ladies to agree on and publish some policies. I am also encouraging the entire team to do so, hopefully the community would follow the example.

Mavi Gogun wrote:
On another front: challenging issues are sure to draw less than cool-headed discourse- is it possible to target-lock threads for specific (offending) users? For example: Member X objects to any discussion of Islamic dress and starts a flame war in any related thread- could we lock that thread to that user after a substandard post?


This one is tough. I'd say that would be too intense micromanagement. We don't have any moderators as of now to get that much into detail. If this is supposed to be a community, I would expect Member X, -a participant of the community- to be mature enough to pay attention to the language while also freely expressing concern. The problem here would come down to threads becoming highjacked. Most posts usually get deleted because they change the original topic into unrelated debates. Member X should rather be asked/warned to adjust to the community.

I think the first step is to define who is NOT allowed to join the forums. This policy, once set and enforced would bring at least some of the noise down and we would have a cleaner set of problems to work on.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:56 pm 
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My concern regarding the second issue is to minimize the locking of threads that are both socially important and controversial. Destruction/disruption is so.... easy.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:06 pm 
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I think that using the stats to improve the site will only tell you a limited amount. Perhaps if you look at where the areas are that you would want the site to grow, and if necessary start some artificial threads off to get things going. For instance more about culture, or sites to visit in Turkey, etc

Perhaps as well as rules for using the forum there should be guidelines on etiquette? And the ability to mark other members on how well (or not) they contribute.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 12:13 pm 
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Thank you, Firebrand, Culture and Sites to Visit are definitely good ideas for new forums

Mavi, the "Speakers Corner" used to be a password protected forum for controversial issues and it used to work fine when we still had a moderator governing it. Perhaps locking it down again and giving access to members with reputation would allow a more relaxed conversation platform? I'll do that...


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