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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:04 am 
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Hiya



My husband and I are moving to Izmir in September 05.



I was wondering, is anyone aware of how bad car crime is in this area?



Is driving in Turkey really as bad as I read in Lonely Planet, Rough Guide and various web sites?



Thank you.



Kara


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I don't think it is that bad at all in Izmir but you have to be careful like in all places around the world. Put it this way it is not as bad as my home town where they would jack your car up whilst you were still inside and take the wheels (possibly an urban myth - but who knows). That was whilst some poor sod was at the traffic lights too. Istanbul on the other hand this may well happen, anything happens there, dodgy in some areas for yabanci and sometimes locals alike and personally i think that opportune crime in all areas is rife in Istanbul, if you check out the local news about kapkaca's (handbag stealing street kids) you will know what i mean. In Izmir it is relatively safe because most of the people i have met all they can think about all year round is the summer break season and going to Cesme, Urla, Karaburun, Foca and the like. In summer everything goes slow - verrrrrrryyyyy slow and even the thieves shut up shop. There just no people around to rob. Most of the stories i have heard about crime in Izmir have been urban myths (a friend of a friend). So to reassure you Kara_Kurtis all i can say is don't worry Izmir is mighty fine in the car world and very easy going for the crime area. One other point i would like to add, on a long trip to Africa one thing i noticed was pure stupidity usually becomes the crime statistics in that country as in many others. Izmir is no different don't be stupid, lock all your doors whilst you are on the move and keep your windows high at junctions and traffic lights and everything should be fine.


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I agree with McKen, as with all cities common sense is the best policy. If it looks dodgy dont go down there. As you walk about you can spot the tourist a mile off and if they are dripping with jewellry with their head in the clouds then hey what do you think.

We have been here for a couple of months and have had no problems at all. Turned down a couple of streets and thought, no I'll go another way but on the whole it's great. Alsancak and the Kordon are lovely with all the hussle and bussle, bars and restaurants.

Driving, well I call it whacky races, you just get in and go, no time to be nervous or unsure, stay in the outside lane and be prepared for anything. Good advice about the windows and central locking at lights. I wouldn't import my Aston! stick with the Astra.

You will love it.


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Thanks for the info, I am feeling a lot better about it all.



My husband will be working in the Alsancak area, so I guess we will be living nearby.



As for your comment on the Aston, would a BMW 330I be ok? My hubby is a bit worried about that. Although I have told him we should just get a beater for running around.



My husband's company have told us to get the Auto Lock, done on our car, which is apparently just a trip to the garage. We were also told to get tinted windows with bomb proof film! I guess they are a little touchy at his work...lol



Personaly I am ok with anywhere we go, I usually get by on a wink and smile.



Kara


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Hi Kara



'I usually get by on a wink and smile.'



I had to laugh at that. For God's sake don't wink & smile at Turkish fellas or you will end up like the Pied Piper !! I remember when I first moved to Ankara, being a smiler (but definitely not a winker) I got myself into some pretty scary situations when I was out alone!!



My hubby and I recently spent an evening in Izmir and enjoyed it. However we wandered in to a very seedy 'disco' which turned out to be a place of ill-repute. Needless to say I couldn't get out of there quick enough!!



Good luck with your move.



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I've lived in Izmir since 1997, transferred from Greece. Crime: I've had my car glass broken and tape player stolen three times since I bought my car in 2000. I have lived in

Alsancak, Bostanli (Karsiyaka) and Narlidere and had apartment break-ins twice while in Bostanli. I have been driving here since 1987 (when I lived two years in Balikesir) and have had only one minor fender-bender accident. My advice is:

When choosing an apartment, do not rent on the first or second floors - higher at least and make sure the windows and balcony doors have good, solid shutters or iron grating installed. PIR's (Passive Infra-Red) alarm system on your balcony is a good deterrent to thieves as they don't want to advertise their presence. Also, install cheap motion detectors for you balcony lights. Have a double lock or dead-bolt installed in your entry door.

Don't leave packages on your car seats, lock your car doors and remove the radio's face plate EVERY time you leave your car.

My son, when he visited here a couple years ago reflected that Turks don't hve driving laws, they have driving "suggestions." Just be careful and don't let their ignorance of civilized driving behavior get to you. MOST Turks drive well - it's the few that are menaces to the road and each other. Keep in mind that the grand parents of the vast majority of Turkish drivers never owned a car - it isn't a society with a long driving history. They will improve as I noticed the Greeks did, having lived there 15 years.

Enjoy your stay. It's a great place to live. Turks are a kind, friendly and interesting people who live in a beautiful country.


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I live in Izmir with my wife and little boy in the area called Bostanli part of Karsiyaka. Bostanli is supposed to be a bit expensive but other parts of Karsiyaka are supposed to be a lot cheaper. Most people who like drinking and socialising like to go for the Alsancak Konak side of Izmir (the left hand side of the bay as if you are looking out to the sea). Karsiyaka and Bostanli have many children playgroups and they are quite reasonable in price. I suspect there are other areas where some ex-pats hang out or live but these areas may not be as nice for children, yourselves and for safety (crime). Best wishes on your move and enjoy the Izmir winter because the summer is damn hot.


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Hi, Saida, I now live East of Izmir in the area of Narlidere. It is about 20 minutes driving time from downtown Izmir. Rents in Izmir all depend on where you want to live and how you want your livestyle to be. If you want to live close to the center of shopping, restaurants, bars and don't have a car, the Alsancak area is the place for you, but it's expensive. Karsiyaka is also not cheap but there are bus and ferry lines to use to go to Alsancak. If you want a waterfront apartment with a view of the bay (and also, I may add, NO guaranteed Parking for your car, Alsancak or Karsiyaka is for you.

You can pay 1500 Euros easily but you can also find new apartments for less than 400 Euros. It depends on how large an apartment you want and how important is convenience to you. Before I would recommend Karsiyaka, Alsancak, Buca, Bornova or Balcova, I'd have to know where you plan to work, what sort of lifestyle you want to have and how much you want to spend. Ex-pats live in all areas; Germans, Italians, Americans, and Brits (to name a few) are spread all over town. I've lived all over town and they all have their own charm.

Let me know some particular details and I can suggest some places that are NOT 1500 Euros. Also, if you are going to use a local Estate Agent to find a place for you, you are going to pay to the Agent one month's rent as his fee. That is standard.



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No, Saida, there are no villas in either Karsiyaka nor Alsancak. Also, there

are no villas in Gaziemir, if you have been there. There is a home that is

for rent in our area, Narlidere. A new pool was built for the Universiade

Games this summer less than 100 steps from the area. There is a large green

area for your son to play and other children in the area.

I can send to you a map of the area if you are interested - go to:

http:\www,universiadeizmir.org/en/maps_trns.asp

and click on "Diving" (No. 19)



The area is about a 20 minute drive from Gaziemir - Four streets from the sea.

It is a very quiet area and quite beautiful. The house has about 5 or 6

rooms, three floors and private parking.

I do not know the price or if it is still available. I will call if you are

interested. The owner returned last month to Belgium, if I remember

correctly.

Email me directly at [email protected],com if you are interested.

Ron


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I have a little advice for those looking to rent in Izmir. I have been living here for 7 years (Alsancak- Gül Sokak, Kordon and Bornova) The best place to look for an apartment is in Bornova, by the Manisa road not in Bornova proper. I will tell you why, by the way this is where I live.



Where I am, it is ten minutes to Alsancak on a good road, which makes driving in and out very very easy. Yes driving in Turkey is an adventure but not all that terrifying. Also, the air during the winter is clean, which cannot be said of Alsancak(an inch of ash every morning on the balcony) or anywhere else in Izmir. Check out Evka 3 and 4 in Bornova. There may not be as many expats out this way but life is a bit more like home than anywhere else. If you head out of the city in either direction, life gets very difficult due to traffic and the distances between everywhere.



I noticed people were worrying about their cars, well, we have quite a few cars and have never had a problem with any of them(most of them classics) For parking, it may be best just to leave your car at the fairgrounds where you are almost sure to find a park, that is for alsancak of course. I don't know much about Karþiyaka.



If anyone needs any help, just drop a line at [email protected],com. I would be happy to help.


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hello, just bought house ýn Urla and we are often ýn bornova but we have yet to come across a playgroup or sorts for chýldren. I have a three year old gýrl and a four month old boy and would love any advýce or týps on playgroups, etc.many thanks.

p.s ý love ýt here


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I would like to know the same. I am living in Cesmealti with my four almost five year old daughter. I defintely enjoy it more than living in downtown though it's nice to visit. I have a car though. Also have a house in Guzelbahce, which is nice and in between. I know of three bedroom villas to rent in Cesmealti if anyone is interested.


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