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Just spent a week at Sunrise Holiday Village near Side. Luckily I was on an all-inclusive deal - this meant I wasn't at the mercy of local bar,shop and restaurant owners who are scamming Brits by pricing everything in euros.

WARNING - if you go for a meal or for a drink in Side/Alanya district make sure you know what rate they will use to convert euros to YTL BEFORE the bill comes - chances are they will use a ridiculous rate that will leave you seriously out of pocket.

The already ludicrously over-priced shops and bars at Antalya Airport (£6 for a beer!) are also pulling this scam - even on credit card sales - so don't buy anything there unless you have to!

I have been visiting Turkey at least twice a year for almost a decade now and every season it seems there are more attempts to rip off tourists.

In the past I have always made a point of staying in small, family-run hotels and patronising local businesses. I never thought I would say this, but an all-inclusive deal at a reputable hotel is now probably the best way to avoid the plague of profiteers and conmen in many areas of Turkey.


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I think this is normal if it is a tourist area. Same apply to other countries which i hv visited if the area are full of tourists.


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Certainly the price of drinks has gone up dramatically in Turkey in the last five years. The current government is pushing up duty on alcohol and tobacco, and also the import duties are incredibly high on wines especially. You can't get a bottle of anything drinkable for less than 15YTL in the shops (six pounds!!!) whereas in the 90s you could get a palatable Doluca Antik for 4 quid, and a drinkable plonk like ordinary Doluca for 2.50.



As for all inclusive - yes I agree the best aspect of it is the way you can stroll past the rip-off hustlers in Bodrum, rub your stomach saying ' i ate for free at the hotel, it was delicious'.





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Quote: I have been visiting Turkey at least twice a year for almost a decade now and every season it seems there are more attempts to rip off tourists.

In the past I have always made a point of staying in small, family-run hotels and patronising local businesses. I never thought I would say this, but an all-inclusive deal at a reputable hotel is now probably the best way to avoid the plague of profiteers and conmen in many areas of Turkey.






This is sad especially for the small mom and pop family run hotels and pansiyons that rely on tourism to make their living. The small buisness man is hurt by these A/I packages because it is too difficult to compete with large chain hotels. Second the government sponsors big tour companies but who needs the help the most?? the little guy of course.



Staying in an A/I resort area in Turkey means that of course everybody is trying to get your buisness. Any resort areas in Turkey like Side, Alanya, Antalya, Kemer, Fethiye, Marmaris, Bodrum, etc, etc,..........will be fair game and are likely places in Turkey for the possibilty of ripping off tourists.



If you go to these large, over-populated, concrete jungles, and over developed cities and towns be prepared for when you step out of the hotel to pay through the nose.



But still in the small unknown, unspoited by mass tourism villages in Turkey you can still get good value for your money without the hassles.



Cirali / Olympos is located approx. 80km southwest from Antalya. It is quiet and peaceful village perfect for nature lovers and for those wishing to get away from the mass touristic cities or towns.



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i agree with Carrie..especially the part about small business losing out to AÝ hotesl..we lost our small restaurant due to this...we were not expensive....

However there are many places in Alanya that dont rip you off..

And why do you pay in Euros?..you just need to say your money is Tl..why change from sterling to euro.

The currency here turkish lira...so thats what you should use.


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Yes shirleyanntr is also right not everyone is trying to rip off the tourist. There are alot of honest people out there but do be wary. I get so sad when I read things like this because it gives a bad name to turkey and touism.


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Thanks for your replies.

I know that there are very, very many honest traders in Turkey and I have dealt with scores of them in the past. However there is an important issue here that requires a government crackdown.

The price you see on anything should be the price you pay. There should not be the jiggery-pokery of exchange rates to contend with.

The Turkish Lira is now strong and stable. It is time traders - all traders - were compelled to price their goods in their own currency. Rising prices in Turkey now mean it is competing directly with the likes of Greece, Spain, Portugal etc. In these countries you pay in the local currency and Turkey should now follow suit.


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The price you see on anything should be the price you pay. There should not be the jiggery-pokery of exchange rates to contend with.






I totally agree !!!! And bargaining for prices too. The best advise then to to support the local industry and stay away from big resort places. Go back to nature and the family run hotels and pansiyons like the good old days.



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Yes Carrie, but you are slightly missing the point. I don't suppose the shops and bars at Antalya Airport are 'mom and pop' businesses - they are probably owned by rich people who are getting richer by abusing the system - and are helping to tarnish Turkey's reputation in the process.

As for an earlier point about avoiding touristy areas, I actually wanted to visit Side to see its Roman ruins - I don't think I should avoid going to places because they are seen as too commercialised.


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Hi Roob,



I did understand the message of the post and yes all these places are owned by rich, rich, turkish as well as foreign investors and supported by the goverment of tourism. My point was go to the smaller places and avoid larger resort trap areas. But yes go to the ancient cities. For instance stay somewhere small and rent a car for the day to travel around visiting the historical places. I'm sure around Side there are still villages that have mom and pop pansiyons. The entire Antalya coastline enconomy is entirely based on tourism.



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Its so much like anywhere else simply were this is and because of the fluctuation of hard currency and the lira is still not considered a international currency that being able to see a real investment is becoming difficult, do not think that this restricts to tourists or holidays makers alone as there is much money to be made through trade but they be more less informed as well as shy to admit the costs they experience, as a company owner I strategically did not enter the local TR market simply because it was made very difficult for both locally and internationally enterprises to start a business. Heavens forbid that we somtimes experience the retailer out to make a buck, he is like us experiencing a fall in expenditure and thus some owners see the need to cheat. We will never live in a world which treats us an equals, so be wary, be on the guard but also be informed of what is happening around you before you judge, it simply may be the trend and can we really blame folk who try and earn an extra living.


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Interesting view Stigkl.

So these poor retailers are having to 'resort to cheating' and I should be happy to let myself be ripped off to help them out.

So if they clone my credit card, steal my wallet or raid my bank account I should just take it on the chin because, as a dumb tourist and a 'wealthy' Brit, I probably deserve it.

Some Antalya Airport shops have a little magic button on their cash tills that converts the euro price in which goods are on sale into YTL at a ludicrous rate.My recent credit card bill showed I paid £25 for items priced at 24 euros. About £7 extra was therefore scammed out of me. Yes I should have been on my guard and no it was not charges levied by my bank.

I am not 'wealthy' I work six-day weeks and earn every penny I have. I really don't see why I should gladly hand it over to someone who sees fit to rip me off as a little 'cheat' to boost their own business.


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Dear Roob, you really had a rough time in Turkey.....from the resort to the airport....keeping in mind airports around the world are expensive....sorry to hear your troubles...cheating or trying to rip off the tourist is bad...Just like this it gives the whole of turkey a bad name.....I do however hope that you decide to visit turkey again????You would really miss out on some wonderful, natural, scenic places. Next time visit Cirali.


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Thanks Carrie,

I realise that treating tourists as fair game is NOT an exclusively Turkish thing - far from it.

Believe it or not Turkey is still one of my favourite countries – you should hear some of my rants about my least favourite places! (Just don't get me started on Halkidiki for example).

I have just read-up on Cirali on the Internet and it sounds great, so I'll definately add it to my list of places to go on my next visit to Turkey - later this year if all goes well.

And I'll be avoiding the airport sharks by packing a nice little picnic to eat while I wait for my flight!



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Oops. That should be "definitely" not "definately".


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